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		<title>By: twistedsymphony</title>
		<link>http://thoughthead.com/7/comment-page-1#comment-18</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am in no way shape or form justifying that it&#039;s ok for MS to make faulty consoles. I&#039;m basically saying that the industry and most consumers are willing to accept it because of the ground work of excuses Sony has laid out in the past. Personally I think we should hang them for it but that will never happen because the industry is playing by Sony&#039;s rulebook.

As for Sony being a former Nintendo partner, they were also a former Sega partner, Sony co-developed the Sega CD and they helped develop the Saturn as well, but Sega broke off their ties. Sony actually had closer ties to Sega then they did to Nintendo.

I also wouldn&#039;t consider a new storage medium an &quot;innovation&quot; nor would I consider a new type or processor or graphics chip etc. I&#039;ll agree that the 2nd analog has proven itself quite useful but again I wouldn&#039;t consider it an innovation because it simply expanded existing technology rather then carving out something new. The same could be said for the eye-toy which had existed on the PC platform and used in various PC games for years at that point.

As for my hatred, perhaps I wasn&#039;t completely clear but I dislike Sony because of what I feel they&#039;ve done to the industry. I hate them because as of late they&#039;ve become brazen with arrogance and as a result abusive to their loyal customers. I really think they just need to be taken down a notch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in no way shape or form justifying that it&#8217;s ok for MS to make faulty consoles. I&#8217;m basically saying that the industry and most consumers are willing to accept it because of the ground work of excuses Sony has laid out in the past. Personally I think we should hang them for it but that will never happen because the industry is playing by Sony&#8217;s rulebook.</p>
<p>As for Sony being a former Nintendo partner, they were also a former Sega partner, Sony co-developed the Sega CD and they helped develop the Saturn as well, but Sega broke off their ties. Sony actually had closer ties to Sega then they did to Nintendo.</p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t consider a new storage medium an &#8220;innovation&#8221; nor would I consider a new type or processor or graphics chip etc. I&#8217;ll agree that the 2nd analog has proven itself quite useful but again I wouldn&#8217;t consider it an innovation because it simply expanded existing technology rather then carving out something new. The same could be said for the eye-toy which had existed on the PC platform and used in various PC games for years at that point.</p>
<p>As for my hatred, perhaps I wasn&#8217;t completely clear but I dislike Sony because of what I feel they&#8217;ve done to the industry. I hate them because as of late they&#8217;ve become brazen with arrogance and as a result abusive to their loyal customers. I really think they just need to be taken down a notch.</p>
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		<title>By: poppe</title>
		<link>http://thoughthead.com/7/comment-page-1#comment-17</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess we can give sony the dvd medium as preferred storage as innovation used by its followers, and then theres eye toy. wasn&#039;t sony first with dual analogs?

There still is some inconsistencies in when third party comes into play, its not like you can just swoop in and steal them away, they all left willingly mostly because of the cd medium. not sure why they didn&#039;t go with the 2 week earlier sega Saturn but I&#039;m guessing a former partner of Nintendo seemed a better choice.

And yes psx had and still has some of the best games out there. and many previous franchises did their best on it (ex castlevania SotN) and many new ones started on it tekken GT Bandicoot etc etc.

I never said sony was perfect But I would never hate on a company that have brought me the best gaming experience so far and on such a large scale.

I&#039;m still waiting too see if there ever will be console to rival my psx. I have some hopes for the wii, but its a hard battle.

And I still can&#039;t see how you can justify MS making a very buggy 1st gen x360, because you think sony did it with its playstations. I don&#039;t see Nintendo or Sega releasing buggy consoles. 

And why hate on people/company&#039;s anyways I could get a dislike but hate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we can give sony the dvd medium as preferred storage as innovation used by its followers, and then theres eye toy. wasn&#8217;t sony first with dual analogs?</p>
<p>There still is some inconsistencies in when third party comes into play, its not like you can just swoop in and steal them away, they all left willingly mostly because of the cd medium. not sure why they didn&#8217;t go with the 2 week earlier sega Saturn but I&#8217;m guessing a former partner of Nintendo seemed a better choice.</p>
<p>And yes psx had and still has some of the best games out there. and many previous franchises did their best on it (ex castlevania SotN) and many new ones started on it tekken GT Bandicoot etc etc.</p>
<p>I never said sony was perfect But I would never hate on a company that have brought me the best gaming experience so far and on such a large scale.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting too see if there ever will be console to rival my psx. I have some hopes for the wii, but its a hard battle.</p>
<p>And I still can&#8217;t see how you can justify MS making a very buggy 1st gen x360, because you think sony did it with its playstations. I don&#8217;t see Nintendo or Sega releasing buggy consoles. </p>
<p>And why hate on people/company&#8217;s anyways I could get a dislike but hate.</p>
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		<title>By: twistedsymphony</title>
		<link>http://thoughthead.com/7/comment-page-1#comment-16</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sega offered 2 different CD based systems before Sony (Sega CD and Saturn) did, There were also 3 other companies that also offered CD based systems before Sony did (Atari, Panasonic, and Magnavox). If the industry really wanted a CD based system the Playstation was far from their only choice, and it certainly wasn&#039;t anywhere near the earliest choice.

Why do you think the Playstation is the best console? My guess is because of the games, a console is only as good as the games you can play on it. People buy the console with the games they want to play. THAT is how you force a console on people. I explained all this in Part 1, Sony used the Nintendo and Sega bickering to get the 3rd parties into exclusivity deals. All of the games people wanted to play were on the Sony console, regardless of how good the hardware was if you wanted to play those games you had no choice buy to buy a Playstation. By comparison the hardware was less powerful then both the Saturn and the N64, and less feature filled then the N64.

As for innovation, sure you can point to games as being innovative, but not unless they&#039;re made by Sony themselves. Okami is made by Capcom, and Guitar Hero is made by Red Octane, just because they&#039;re on a Sony console doesn&#039;t mean Sony can take credit for them. And while Parappa, and Singstar might be considered innovative did they really drive the industry forward? You can look at Nintendo&#039;s introduction of the Analog stick and see that every subsequent controller has included analog sticks. You can look at Sega&#039;s introduction of the analog trigger and now even the Playstation controller has one. You can look at Microsoft&#039;s introduction of Xbox Live and built in network support and now every console is boasting a feature filled online service available out of the box. What kind of lasting effect did the games you mention have? are there any that can be seen in nearly every modern game?

As for hardware failures, I&#039;m on my 4th PS1 and my 3rd PS2, I know about 6 other people who went out and bought Xbox 1&#039;s after their 2nd PS2 died either from laser failure or overheating. While I personally haven&#039;t had any problems with my launch day Xbox 360 it doesn&#039;t mean that problems don&#039;t exist. I&#039;m sure most PS2 owners haven&#039;t had problems but that also doesn&#039;t mean problems don&#039;t exist. You can&#039;t make generalization based on a sample size of you and your friends. Yes problems did exist before the Playstation but when they happened they were viewed as an anomaly and the company took responsibility for it. The Playstation failures and subsequent PS2 failures Sony passed off as being normal, and acceptable.

Why even argue in support for Sony and bash their competitors? This kind of console cheerleading is as big a part of the problem as hardware failures. Why do you need to be a fanboy of a brand and no other brand? Why can&#039;t we all just appreciate the fact that we&#039;re all gamers and and use our clout as consumers to hold console makers accountable for their mistakes instead of arguing with each other while the industry rapes us with high prices and hardware failures? I accept that Microsoft and Nintendo have problems with their consoles and business practices, when they f-up I call them on it. Why can&#039;t you accept that Sony isn&#039;t perfect either?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sega offered 2 different CD based systems before Sony (Sega CD and Saturn) did, There were also 3 other companies that also offered CD based systems before Sony did (Atari, Panasonic, and Magnavox). If the industry really wanted a CD based system the Playstation was far from their only choice, and it certainly wasn&#8217;t anywhere near the earliest choice.</p>
<p>Why do you think the Playstation is the best console? My guess is because of the games, a console is only as good as the games you can play on it. People buy the console with the games they want to play. THAT is how you force a console on people. I explained all this in Part 1, Sony used the Nintendo and Sega bickering to get the 3rd parties into exclusivity deals. All of the games people wanted to play were on the Sony console, regardless of how good the hardware was if you wanted to play those games you had no choice buy to buy a Playstation. By comparison the hardware was less powerful then both the Saturn and the N64, and less feature filled then the N64.</p>
<p>As for innovation, sure you can point to games as being innovative, but not unless they&#8217;re made by Sony themselves. Okami is made by Capcom, and Guitar Hero is made by Red Octane, just because they&#8217;re on a Sony console doesn&#8217;t mean Sony can take credit for them. And while Parappa, and Singstar might be considered innovative did they really drive the industry forward? You can look at Nintendo&#8217;s introduction of the Analog stick and see that every subsequent controller has included analog sticks. You can look at Sega&#8217;s introduction of the analog trigger and now even the Playstation controller has one. You can look at Microsoft&#8217;s introduction of Xbox Live and built in network support and now every console is boasting a feature filled online service available out of the box. What kind of lasting effect did the games you mention have? are there any that can be seen in nearly every modern game?</p>
<p>As for hardware failures, I&#8217;m on my 4th PS1 and my 3rd PS2, I know about 6 other people who went out and bought Xbox 1&#8242;s after their 2nd PS2 died either from laser failure or overheating. While I personally haven&#8217;t had any problems with my launch day Xbox 360 it doesn&#8217;t mean that problems don&#8217;t exist. I&#8217;m sure most PS2 owners haven&#8217;t had problems but that also doesn&#8217;t mean problems don&#8217;t exist. You can&#8217;t make generalization based on a sample size of you and your friends. Yes problems did exist before the Playstation but when they happened they were viewed as an anomaly and the company took responsibility for it. The Playstation failures and subsequent PS2 failures Sony passed off as being normal, and acceptable.</p>
<p>Why even argue in support for Sony and bash their competitors? This kind of console cheerleading is as big a part of the problem as hardware failures. Why do you need to be a fanboy of a brand and no other brand? Why can&#8217;t we all just appreciate the fact that we&#8217;re all gamers and and use our clout as consumers to hold console makers accountable for their mistakes instead of arguing with each other while the industry rapes us with high prices and hardware failures? I accept that Microsoft and Nintendo have problems with their consoles and business practices, when they f-up I call them on it. Why can&#8217;t you accept that Sony isn&#8217;t perfect either?</p>
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		<title>By: poppe</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well you are misguiding some of your hatred, third party willingly went to sony because they gave them what they wanted a console not based on cartridges. I myself think that the psx is the best console so far that has been released but I am pretty biased since I spent so much time with it. The only rival would be the snes. I&#039;m not sure how you mean that sony have not pushed game innovation. with games like parappa, okami, ape escape, singstar, guitar hero etc etc etc on its consoles

And I can&#039;t see how a company can force a console on people?
Its not like forcing a OS or webbrowser. 

And blaming faulty hardware on sony. The Nes and n64 had its share of problems, cartridges and the analog stick anyone.

And thirdly I never had any problems with my psx and never heard of any other that had.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you are misguiding some of your hatred, third party willingly went to sony because they gave them what they wanted a console not based on cartridges. I myself think that the psx is the best console so far that has been released but I am pretty biased since I spent so much time with it. The only rival would be the snes. I&#8217;m not sure how you mean that sony have not pushed game innovation. with games like parappa, okami, ape escape, singstar, guitar hero etc etc etc on its consoles</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t see how a company can force a console on people?<br />
Its not like forcing a OS or webbrowser. </p>
<p>And blaming faulty hardware on sony. The Nes and n64 had its share of problems, cartridges and the analog stick anyone.</p>
<p>And thirdly I never had any problems with my psx and never heard of any other that had.</p>
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		<title>By: twistedsymphony</title>
		<link>http://thoughthead.com/7/comment-page-1#comment-13</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t an MS vs Sony debate. I agree that the Xbox 360&#039;s reliability sucks compared to most consoles, but my point is that the industry wouldn&#039;t have accepted that as early console bugs if Sony hadn&#039;t made that acceptable with their own consoles. If you remember Microsoft kept quoting that &quot;the industry standard failure rate is between 3 and 5% for new products&quot; Where do you think that &quot;industry standard&quot; came from? I&#039;ll give you a hint, it wasn&#039;t Nintendo or Sega. Without Sony&#039;s standard to fall back on Microsoft would have had the egg on their face and probably would have done a recall. Instead they followed Sony&#039;s lead and passed it off as being OK. The way I see it is Microsoft hasn&#039;t done anything wrong simply because they&#039;re playing by the rulebook that Sony created. You can&#039;t fault someone for following industry trends, you fault those responsible for setting the trends.
Personally I could care less if Microsoft was in the business at all. I&#039;d be more than happy if the console world was still just Nintendo and Sega. In no way shape or form am I thankful that Microsoft is in the gaming industry nor that Sony opened the door for them. I&#039;m quite upset that Sony even made it a world where a player like Microsoft would decide to step in. I&#039;m just thankful they haven&#039;t screwed up the industry, because they certainly have the power to do so.
Microsoft is FAR from perfect but they haven&#039;t changed anything in the industry for the worse. Don&#039;t you understand? The reason I don&#039;t like Sony is because they made drastic changes to the industry and they were changes to the worse. By the time Microsoft had stepped into the picture things like consoles that break down was already widely accepted, the damage had already been done. Yes they have their faults but in my opinion none of them have made changes to the industry for worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t an MS vs Sony debate. I agree that the Xbox 360&#8242;s reliability sucks compared to most consoles, but my point is that the industry wouldn&#8217;t have accepted that as early console bugs if Sony hadn&#8217;t made that acceptable with their own consoles. If you remember Microsoft kept quoting that &#8220;the industry standard failure rate is between 3 and 5% for new products&#8221; Where do you think that &#8220;industry standard&#8221; came from? I&#8217;ll give you a hint, it wasn&#8217;t Nintendo or Sega. Without Sony&#8217;s standard to fall back on Microsoft would have had the egg on their face and probably would have done a recall. Instead they followed Sony&#8217;s lead and passed it off as being OK. The way I see it is Microsoft hasn&#8217;t done anything wrong simply because they&#8217;re playing by the rulebook that Sony created. You can&#8217;t fault someone for following industry trends, you fault those responsible for setting the trends.<br />
Personally I could care less if Microsoft was in the business at all. I&#8217;d be more than happy if the console world was still just Nintendo and Sega. In no way shape or form am I thankful that Microsoft is in the gaming industry nor that Sony opened the door for them. I&#8217;m quite upset that Sony even made it a world where a player like Microsoft would decide to step in. I&#8217;m just thankful they haven&#8217;t screwed up the industry, because they certainly have the power to do so.<br />
Microsoft is FAR from perfect but they haven&#8217;t changed anything in the industry for the worse. Don&#8217;t you understand? The reason I don&#8217;t like Sony is because they made drastic changes to the industry and they were changes to the worse. By the time Microsoft had stepped into the picture things like consoles that break down was already widely accepted, the damage had already been done. Yes they have their faults but in my opinion none of them have made changes to the industry for worse.</p>
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